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Audio request

Postby Anatoli » Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:30 am

مرحبا

I wonder if I can request the following audio to be recorded by a native speaker, please.

I would like to hear a few examples of words, which have letters ح (Haa') and ه (haa'). For contrast, can they be in the beginning (kayf Haaluka كيف حالك), middle (al-fuS-Ha الفصحى) and final positions (SabaaH صباح)? + some words using the haa' letter (don't have to be similar to these but same position)?

I also have some issues with 'ayn when it is followed by "i" (e.g. al-`Iraq العراق ) or at the end of a word (shaari`شارِع - street)

شكرا جزيلا

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Postby Ehab » Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:38 pm

Ahlan Anatoli;
Welcome to the forum and to Arabicpod.net
Your suggestion is in our concern, we will be highlighting those issues in some lessons,, however, I want to point out the following:
The way that the letter 7 (ح) is pronounced is similar whether it is in the beginning, middle or the end, therefore I would suggest you to check the 'Arabic Pronunciation Guide' (APG) page, you can there clearly find out the difference between these letters.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Audio request

Postby Anatoli » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:38 pm

Sorry for the long delay and thank you for the answer.

I listened to some audios and it's a bit easier now.

I know that the letter is pronounced the same but to me to identify or distinguish from the similar consonant is harder in some positions.

Thanks,
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Re: Audio request

Postby jookieapc » Wed May 28, 2008 7:28 am

I have problems with the ع too. I mean, I think I can do an ع ok but I'm not good at producing differences when there are different vowels surrounding the ع.

For example
عالم
علم
أعلم
أعمل
عامل

أربعة | أربع (the difference is just a long ع sound vervus a short one, right?)

Also is there any difference in pronunciation between a word starting with a hamza in the following case?

إرب | اِرب

I've heard a lot of learners of Arabic speaking and a large number of them seem to pronouce شارع as sha-ree-a. I think that students in America and Germany are taught to pronounce it that way while I think a pronunciation more like sha-re' is more accurate and not difficult. Is there much of a discernable difference in pronunciation between شارع ending in fat7a, dhamma wa kasra?

I think this topic could make for a good lesson.

By the way Ehab I love the way you say اهلاً و سهلاً. Hearing "akhlan wa sakhlan" or "a77777777777777777lan wa sa777777777777lan" really grinds my gears. Your pronunciation is silky smooth like it's supposed to be :D :D
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Re: Audio request

Postby Ehab » Thu May 29, 2008 12:49 pm

Don’t worry jookieapc if you can’t pronounce the (ع) but you need to be worry about doing the opposite, I mean, in the end you wrote (أهلا و سهلا) as a7lan wa sa7lan,, now this is wrong because the letter is (ها) not (حا) so, you need to be careful about that.
Regarding to your questions, yes what you said about (أربع - أربعة) is right. The other issue with the hamza,, there is nothing called (إرب | اِرب) if the letter alef takes kasra underneath it, then it should take hamza too. 7arakat on the alef always comes with hamza.
Inshallah we’ll do a dedicated lesson to discuss the pronunciation,, we normally talk about it in the lessons, but this time we will just focus on pronunciation,, it is a challenge to every one,, don’t make much worry about it,, this is the case in any language and people understand you from the context normally.
Shokran for your words in the end and remember ahlan comes with ha not 7a :D
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Re: Audio request

Postby mujtahida » Thu May 29, 2008 1:35 pm

Salam alaikum all,

How about sometimes alif at the beginning of the word takes 'hamza tul wasl' like 'ism' (name) and 'ibn' (son). And also the alif in 'al' like when you say 'al-kitaab'. For these if there is a word or letter preceding it then the alif vowel is not pronounced, like for example 'abuhaa smuhu Yahya' so the 'sin' would take sukoon and the alif of 'ism' no vowel - it is flowed into from the 'aa' of the previous word, 'abuhaa'.

هُوَ ٱبْنُ ٱلْمُدَرِّسِ - huwa-bnul mudarris

You can see from the line above, the hamza tul wasl looks different to the normal hamza (hamza tul qat). It is like a squiggly line not like a 2. I think it's often omitted though, I don't see it much.

Is this the correct idea I have picked up? Or did it get muddled somewhere along the way?

I thought what jookieapc meant was that some people wrongly pronounce it as 'A7lan wa sa7lan' or 'a7'lan wa sa7'lan', and it bugs him cos he knows it should be 'ahlan wa sahlan' like how you say it.
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Re: Audio request

Postby jookieapc » Fri May 30, 2008 5:13 am

Ehab wrote:Don’t worry jookieapc if you can’t pronounce the (ع) but you need to be worry about doing the opposite, I mean, in the end you wrote (اهلا وسهلا) as a7lan wa sa7lan,, now this is wrong because the letter is (ها) not (حا) so, you need to be careful about that.


Oh thanks but I know the difference between ها and حا. I meant I hate hearing ها mispronounced by learners as a حا or خا so I can imagine how much more it annoys native speakers!

Has anybody ever had someone whince when you spoke to them Arabic? I have :lol:

Thank you too for the clarification with the hamza on the alif. That was really helpful. My dictionary and my textbook don't ever write the hamza with the alif so I was confused. A teacher I had once said any alif at the start of a word is ALWAYS hamza, even if there's no hamza written above the alif. So as in mujtahida's examples: ابن and اسم. I thought ibn has a kasrah under the alif but no hamza. Would it be said differently if there was a hamza underneath it? And should it technically be written with a hamza?

I'll look forward to the lesson on this topic Ehab. I really want to learn the difference in pronunciation between أعلم ... و عالم و علم
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Re: Audio request

Postby Ehab » Sun Jul 20, 2008 4:42 pm

Ya mujtahida, very true.. the thing about writing hamzat alqa63 (أ) and hamzat alwa9l (ا) is that when you see the hamza is written, then this is hamzat qa93, but if it is not written, then it is hamzat wa9l.
Jookieapc, to clarify those two types of hamzas, it is basically you pronounce hamzat alqa63 (همزة القطع) but you don’t pronounce hamzat alwa9l (همزة الوصل).
An example will make it easy, first, Hamzat alwa9l, هو اسمه سليم (his name is Saleem), when I say it, I just joint (howa) and (ismohu) like : howas mohu Saleem (I don’t pronounce the alef in ismohu).
Now an example on Hamzat alqa63, هو أخي الصغير (he is my younger brother), here the word (أخي) has hamzat alqa63 and it is pronounced like : howa 2a7’y al9a3’eer.
Hope it makes sense now, we will cover it in another lesson about letter pronunciation, we’ve already produced one, and inshallah we’ll make more soon :) .
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Re: Audio request

Postby jookieapc » Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:45 am

Thank you for making the lesson on this topic Ehab. It was useful. I'm looking forward to the new lessons on the letters. I'd like to suggest an intermediate level for the next lesson with words which are hard to pronounce because they contain those Arabic letters. Shukran for the clarification on hamza too
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Re: Audio request

Postby hasanz » Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:33 pm

http://www.arabicpod.net/apg.php is not working, neither could i find a pronunciation guide in sharepoint on arabicpod.net please help
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Re: Audio request

Postby Moshaya » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:44 pm

Hay Hasanz,

The pronunciation guide can be found under ‘Activities’ on the following link http://localhost/arabicpodnew2/activiti ... tion_Guide and can be accessed by premium subscribers
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Re: Audio request

Postby seanhcthsn » Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:00 am

Moshaya wrote:Hay Hasanz,

The pronunciation guide can be found under ‘Activities’ on the following link http://localhost/arabicpodnew2/activiti ... tion_Guide and can be accessed by premium subscribers
Moshaya many thanks for this pronunciation guide, it was truly helpful
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